Jeff talks about a conversation with a guy he spent four days with in May, 2014...
Dave Ronan, from episode 72 of the 200churches Podcast - a classic episode you should listen to!
Then he connects this conversation to yesterday's episode 178, when people do you dirty, and the stories he hears from pastors in his role on a licensing and ordination committee.
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Jeff Keady has been a pastor for 35 years and podcaster to pastors for 9 years - Coaching For Pastors is his latest podcast!